Responding to Christianity's Critics

Joshua Evans: Ex-Christian Pt. I

This is the first in what I hope to be a series of Christian responses to our critics. I choose to focus on Joshua Evans’ lecture entitled “How the Bible led me to Islam” (which can be found here). Joshua himself is an ex-Methodist who used to be a youth minister and then subsequently left Christianity at age 17 (?). The previous link leads to a different video in which Joshua gives a brief explanation of his journey to Islam and his misgivings with Christianity. Not that I wish to focus on this video too much but I should mention that he is presented as an expert on Christianity so it does come off as a great surprise that he does not know what it is that Methodists actually believe. He claims that Methodists do not believe Jesus to be God incarnate nor actually part of the Holy Trinity. He repeats this claim more than once in the first seven minutes of the video. Given that Methodists have held to an orthodox understanding of the person of Jesus Christ and of the Trinity since the inception of Methodism in the 18th century, I can’t help but question his credibility (not to mention that he makes a faulty exegesis of Matt. 15:9 which, if true, would lead to Jesus claiming to be God in that particular verse—a point that as a Muslim he should be denying and not affirming).

But I digress, let’s move on to the actual video in question.

1. Noah was an Alcoholic:

Joshua begins his diatribe quite aptly enough with Genesis and specifically, with the person of Noah. He claims that according to the bible, Noah was a drunkard and infers that Noah had been a heavy drinker for the majority of his life. He explicitly questions how Noah could have built the ark given the fact that he was drunk almost constantly. He reiterates this claim that according to the bible Noah was addicted to alcohol—this, to the shock of his Muslim audience. Now it is true that after the flood, there was an incident in which Noah had become inebriated. Let me say that again, “it is true that after the flood, there was an incident in which Noah had become inebriated“. You will notice that the bible simply records one incident where Noah became inebriated (long after he had completed the ark).

Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. — Genesis 9:20-21 NIV

Notice that the text, does not mention any excessive drinking prior to this nor after this and it certainly doesn’t call him a drunkard. Perhaps Joshua simply doesn’t possess an adequate enough mastery of the English language to have been aware that drunk and drunkard aren’t always interchangeable?

drunk: being in a temporary state in which one’s physical and mental faculties are impaired by an excess of alcoholic drink

drunkard: a person who is habitually or frequently drunk.

The bible does not mince words and is not afraid of stating things as they are and if Noah truly were an alcoholic, we can be sure that it would mention this fact. Yet Joshua didn’t wish to attack the bible by what it claimed but rather chose to attack a caricature of the man it presented. He misrepresented the bible in claiming that it spoke of Noah as having been a drunkard for the majority of his life, and him having been drunk while constructing the ark. It’s quite telling that he’d rather misinform and even lie to his fellow Muslims, than to attack Christianity on its own merits—telling indeed.

2. The Cardinal Sin in Christianity is to ask Questions:

Joshua again makes a claim that I found quite astounding. He claimed that the cardinal sin in Christianity is to ask questions. I would like to know which verses from the bible he would cite to support such a belief. The bible itself is against such a claim:

Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. — Acts 17:11 NIV (emphasis mine)

The above shows us that a Christian is not supposed to accept the Christian doctrine on the authority of a Preacher but that he/she is called to search the scriptures themselves and see if what is being preached is indeed true. Contrary to this, Islam in fact tells it’s adherents to avoid those hard questions:

“O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.” (Surah 5:101-102).

“The Holy Prophet himself forbade people to ask questions …so do not try to probe into such things.” (The Meaning of the Qur’an, Maududi, vol. III, pgs. 76-77)

“The prophet was asked about things which he did not like, and when the questioner insisted, the Prophet got angry. (vol. 1, no. 92) The Prophet got angry and his cheeks or his face became red. (vol. 1, no. 91) “Allah has hated you…[for] asking too many questions.” (vol. 2, no. 555; and vol. 3, no. 591, Bukhari’s Hadith commenting on Muhammad’s reaction to hostile questioners.)

Islam is terrified of truth. It would rather that it’s adherents blindly believe than that they earnestly ask questions. Notice the words of Muhammad/Allah, “Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.” Islam is terrified of being probed hence this admonition to the would-be-truth-seekers. Where Islam commands its believers to remain in the deepest gloom, Christianity welcomes questions and would-be-seekers. It delights in this thirst for truth and says, “Oh taste and see that the Lord is good” (Psalm 34:8). Where Islam commands darkness, the “Sun of Righteousness” commands there to be light. Just as in the beginning.

3. Jesus is not God:

Perhaps the only good thing that Joshua Evans has mentioned so far is the fact that God is one. He goes on to say that from reading the Old Testament he learned that the God of Israel is one God and that he is so in a unique fashion. He then says that Jesus did not say that he was God and although there are some implicit statements that can be “twisted around” to say that Jesus claimed divinity as his own, “an implicit statement cannot override an explicit one”. I have one question. Where in the bible does Jesus explicitly say that he is not God. Can he provide all of us with the chapter and verse where Jesus says, “I am not God”. I ask this because Mr. Evans claims that an implicit statement cannot override an explicit statement—meaning that an explicit statement is to be found somewhere in scripture and as such I simply ask him for the chapter and verse where Jesus explicitly states not to be God. Now if this is not the case, why then would Mr. Evans mislead his audience into believing that there was?

On that note, if Mr. Evans needs for Jesus to have said the exact words, “I am God, worship me” in order to acknowledge that the bible teaches the divinity of Jesus (of course let’s not mention the verses where Jesus is equated to God, 1 Corinthians 2:8; called the creator of all things, John 1:3; worshiped, Luke 24:51-52; threatened to be stoned for making himself equal to God, John 10:33; demands to be honoured in the exact manner in which the Father is honoured, John 5:23; claims to have existed before his human birth, John 3:13; claims to have existed before Abraham, John 8:58-59; claims to have existed before the creation of the world, John 17:5; is described as indwelling God himself, John 1:18; claims that to have seen him is to have seen the Father, John 10:30; claims to share the exact same glory as the Father, John 17:5; claims to be able to do whatever the Father does, John 5:19; claims to have all authority in heaven and on earth, Matthew 28:18; etc.) then why does he believe that Jesus is the Messiah or the word of Allah given that in the Qur’an, Jesus never speaks the words, “I am the Messiah, follow me” or “I am the word of Allah, listen to me”? If Mr. Evans were an honest individual he would have to admit that, given his very argument, he cannot agree with the teachings of Islam on these matters seeing as Jesus never explicitly makes these statements in the entire Qur’an. Yet this was never about honesty in the first place—Mr. Evans does not possess a shred of honesty.

Furthermore Joshua Evans cites John 17:3 (“Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent”) as proof that Jesus was not claiming divinity yet if one were to read just a bit further down they would find verses such as:

And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. — John 17:5 NIV

—————

“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,21that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. — John 17:20-23 ESV

It would be plain to see that Jesus quite clearly claimed to exist before the world began. Even more shocking is the fact that the Father and him shared the same glory. Can any human ever utter this? Can a prophet of God claim to have existed before the world was created and have shared in the glory of God? Or what about the fact that Jesus claims that he is in the Father, and that the Father is in him, and that they will be within each true Christian. Notice the special relationship Jesus shares with the Father. He is in the Father and the Father is within him—something that is not true of any other believer. The only way believers share in this relationship is by having them live within the believer and not the believer within them. It is ironic that Mr. Evans claims that when not considering the context of the text, one can get away with the belief that Jesus claimed divinity when actually the divinity of Jesus is proved by truly studying the text fairly. Even more telling is the fact that Joshua Evans didn’t even pretend to give a context to his quoting of scripture (nor proper chapter and verses) but then had no qualms in warning his Muslim audience to the effect that Christians do this very thing. The hypocrisy is almost nauseating.

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37 responses

  1. Totally agree! You give very solid biblically-based responses to Evans’ claims.

    July 22, 2010 at 4:18 AM

    • Thanks. I plan to continue my response to his other claims at a later time.

      July 22, 2010 at 1:36 PM

    • IFTIKHAR QAMAR

      MAY THE PEACE AND BLESSINGS OF ALLAH BE UPON YOU ,

      I guess you did not get his point; the point he wanted to make or convey was that; how and why all these NOBLE and chosen prophets could be attributed with such disgusting things; like wine in case of PROPHET NOAH. Having sex with his daughters for PROPHET LOT.

      I hope you must have got the point now.

      December 24, 2010 at 1:10 PM

      • First of all, I really must thank you for your comment and well-wishes. More importantly, it’s wonderful that you are taking your time to read what I write and to respond accordingly. That said, let me just briefly answer you. First of all, your reply begs the question (a fallacy mind you). In the case of Noah, he sinned and suffered the consequences of his sin. He is not noble because he was perfect, but rather he is noble because he trusted in God and “by faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.” –Hebrews 11:7

        you see, I’m pretty sure that you learnt your religion by your parents and those close to you (as do all of us) but would you call any of them perfect? No. Are they still noble? I would hope that you’d agree with me that at least some of them are, even if they do sin. If then, you being a sinner, and your parents being sinners can still lead you on the “right path” and you can then come to believe in Islam, why then is it impossible for the Prophets to teach mankind although they did succumb to sin just like all men, save for Jesus Christ (as your Qur’an and Islamic tradition agrees with). I mean even your own Prophet claims to be a sinner and asks for Allah to forgive his past and future sins: “Oh God, I acknowledge and confess before You, all my sins, please forgive them, as no one can forgive sins except You. Forgive my mistakes, those done intentionally, or out of my ignorance, with or without seriousness. Oh God, forgive my sins and my ignorance, forgive my sins of the past and of the future, which I did openly or secretly. Forgive the wrong I have done, jokingly or seriously. I seek Your protection from all the evil I have done. Wash away my sins, and cleanse my heart, from all the sins as a white garment is cleansed from the filth, and let there be long distance between me and my sins, as You made the East and West far from each other.” —Sahih Bukhari Volume 8: #s 335, 379, 407, and 408

        as far as lot is concerned, he was effectively raped. if a god-fearing man or women is raped, are they then no longer noble? I would hope that you would not agree with such a sentiment. Furthermore, you believe the companions of Muhammad to have been noble as well, and you believe that which they have reported concerning him and his sunnah but were they perfect? Quite clearly they weren’t so why is it that in your tradition, you are able to believe the words of imperfect men yet seem to argue that given the fact that in Christianity most of the prophets were imperfect, you therefore cannot believe the accounts in the bible. So given all the above, my conclusion is that I am not ashamed by what the bible teaches because it gives a true image of the failings of man. It is not afraid of recording the deeds which humanity has committed. God is ruthless in his truth, but loving in his grace and he has shown us repeatedly why in fact we must be saved through his son Jesus Christ, the only one who lived a completely perfect life.

        December 24, 2010 at 2:48 PM

      • Abraham

        My dear, Lot was not a prophet. Not all people mentioned in the bible are prophets.
        .

        June 15, 2012 at 4:32 PM

  2. BREAKING NEWS: Prophet Muhammad’s Name Found in the Bible

    http://tiigerr.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/breaking-news-prophet-muhammads-name-found-in-the-bible/

    December 24, 2010 at 10:02 AM

  3. Proof Of Islam – The Proof That Islam Is The Truth – Abdur-Raheem Green

    December 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM

  4. A Former Christian Minister Shows us a Great Miracle from Quran? “Pharaohs Body Perserved”

    http://tiigerr.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/a-former-christian-minister-shows-us-a-great-miracle-from-quran/

    December 24, 2010 at 10:07 AM

  5. tiigerr, the irony in you commenting on my blog is immense but I’ll save my response to you and your points for another blog post.

    That said, I couldn’t help but notice that no one has explained to me why in fact Joshua Evans lied? If he hasn’t lied, why then did no one reprimand me for that which I said in the article above? Please do not become complicit in the lies of this man by remaining quiet about it. However, if you believe him to have spoken the truth, please reprimand me for my words and show to everyone here how I am actually the liar.

    December 24, 2010 at 2:59 PM

  6. This video is about the temptation of Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) and the proof he is not God.

    God cannot be tempted (James 1:13)

    VS.

    Jesus was tempted (Matthew 4:1, Hebrews 4:15)

    If Jesus was tempted then he can’t be God, plain and simple! God can’t even be tempted let alone sin! Please don’t twist the meaning of the word “tempted”, accept it at it’s face value.

    In summary: something happened to Jesus which cannot happen to God (that is temptation).

    I LOVE JESUS BUT HE IS NOT GOD!

    My Website:

    http://www.converted2islam.com

    December 25, 2010 at 12:45 PM

    • Thanks for the comment. while at this time I have not taken a look at your video (I may, or may not) I will give a very brief response to your use of James 1:13 in order to claim that the bible claims that Jesus is not God. Before that though I must say that I find Muslim arguments fairly self-serving (and therefore weak) because they will claim that the Bible is irredeemably corrupted yet when the opportunity presents itself to make use of the bible we are supposed to believe that the portion they are quoting from has not been corrupted. Either the bible is corrupted or it isn’t, take your pick and remember that inconsistency is the sign of a failed argument. Given that you would quote from James, let us at least suppose that the writings of James are authoritative (seeing as you would claim this by your use of a citation from this text and then therefore go on to claim that because of these words by James, Jesus cannot be God…in short, by your argument, we are to suppose that the words of James override everything else in the bible like for example, the words of Paul). It is easy to quote one saying by an author and then claim that this was what he believed yet the proper method would be to examine the entire corpus of an author’s work to understand what in fact it is that he believed. With that in mind, let us turn to the words of James.

      “Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.” —James 1:13

      Before I speak concerning the above let us continue reading James and see exactly what his idea of God was:

      “James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ” —James 1:1

      In the above James calls himself a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ. ‘Lord’, which in Greek would be Kyrios was the translation of the word Adonai which is the word that Jews use for God’s proper name, Yahweh. If James, wanted to say that Jesus was not God then from the very first sentence he has already confused his audience by using the very term that he, as a Jew, uses for the God of Israel himself!

      “If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.” —James 1:5-7

      In the above James speaks concerning petitions to God and yet then claims that it is the Lord who gives and answers prayers. But who did James call the Lord in his opening? Wasn’t it Jesus? I don’t know about you but if James wanted to claim that Jesus was not God then why would he say that it is he that answered prayers and granted them when people prayed to God? Unless of course James meant to teach that Jesus is himself God.

      “My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory.” —James 2:1

      The above is once more confusing in the fact that the faith is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of Glory. But isn’t God the Lord of Glory? And isn’t the faith supposed to be in God? Once more James is being very confusing if he meant to say that Jesus is not God but is actually being very clear if once more he was teaching that Jesus was God.

      Now let us turn to the passage which you had cited in your post. You had warned me not to twist the word “tempted” yet is there only one way to use the word tempted? Be that as it may, if we are to believe what you said in that there is absolutely only one way to use the word tempted then what are we to make with the ending of that verse where James says that God does not ‘tempt’ anyone yet later on he says:

      “Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar?” —James 2:21

      The above verse is actually referring to: “After these things, God tempted Abraham, and said to him: Abraham, Abraham. And he answered: Here I am.He said to him: Take thy only begotten son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and go into the land of vision: and there thou shalt offer him for a holocaust [sacrifice] upon one of the mountains which I will show thee.” (Genesis 22:1-2). If we are to believe what you said then we have ourselves a problem where James contradicts himself and simultaneously believes that God is God and God is not God. Clearly your logic does not make sense and is in fact insulting to the intellect of both the author and your audience. If you had cared to look into the matter you would have seen that the word translated as tempted is the word nissa whose two primary meanings mean “to test”. Therefore, while the word can mean “to tempt” it more often means “to test” and the meaning is found depending on the context. Now you would have us disregard all of this and simply believe that James was simply trying to contradict himself or ignorant of his own language…or both! From the above, it’s clear that when one actually examines the matter, they find that your logic cannot hold up to scrutiny and is only convincing if one is ignorant of the matter entirely.

      “Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go into such and such a town and spend a year there and trade and make a profit”— 14 yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes. 15 Instead you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we will live and do this or that.”—James 4:13-15

      Once more who is this Lord that James speaks of? From the context we can gather that this Lord is the one who holds our lives in his hands but everyone knows that only God has this power, right? Yet this Lord, James identified with Jesus in his opening! So unlike what you would want us to believe, James is quite emphatic in that Jesus is God.

      What I would like you to take note of is the consistency within my argument. While mine explains everything without positing contradictions or insulting the intelligence of my audience or the author, your argument does not. If I were a betting man, I certainly would not place my hopes with the argument that you have put forth for it fails to account for all the evidence and only works if we ignore it altogether. Now remember that your argument rested on us taking the words of James as authoritative and we have now seen that James declares Christ to be God. So what will you do? Will you believe the author on whom your argument rested on (and whom you had wanted me to believe in) or will you suddenly disregard his words and display to all of us that you are in fact not interested in a consistent argument? Remember, inconsistency is a sign of a failed argument and when you must repeatedly be inconsistent (as I’ve shown Joshua Evans and the Muslim position to have been) then I would say that your theological viewpoint is a failing one.

      That said, I must once more ask why no one has chosen to defend Joshua Evans yet? If he is a liar then why believe him? If he has instead told the truth and I’m the one who’s lying, why are you guys keeping silent as if I were telling the truth? But more importantly, if he has lied and you know him to have lied, why then not admit this fact?

      December 25, 2010 at 5:16 PM

  7. Tiigerr and Jerald Dirks (though given your IP addresses, I would be lead to believe that you are the same person), I haven’t and will not approve your most recent comments because they are spam. I have included a screenshot of your comments in order to show to my audience exactly what I’m speaking of and from here on I will no longer approve comments of a similar sort. There seems to be a recurring Muslim arrogance on the part of some of the people here. I say this because time and time again, individuals have chosen to post spam and completely ignore me when I have asked them to make comments relevant to the article and the discussion. More than this simply being arrogance it also touches on intolerance given that some of the individuals who have commented here expect to be given certain privileges which they are not at all willing to reciprocate. If this all seems a bit too cryptic to my audience then I apologize (and I’ll make a proper post concerning tis matter later).

    That said, I am somewhat amused by the fact that no one has reprimanded me for calling Mr. Evans a liar. It would seem that all of us here are at least of the same opinion on this point.

    December 26, 2010 at 8:27 PM

  8. SaviorRises

    The first time I saw Joshua Evans on the DeenShow and Youtube, I “called it”: I said I would bet MONEY this guy was a Methodist and was a “youth leader” (they might have called it “minister”) and that he “left” Christianity in his Christian “infancy”.

    Well, well, well…turns out I was right ! Great article. Hard to believe he has become an “expert” on Christianity from all his conscious years of experiencing it (what, 12-17 years of age???). I have no issue with the guy finding his own way, but I have a feeling he was ready to lean wherever the wind took him (not that he is the only person to do that).

    There is a strong “Church Camp” feel to his “message”, setting aside the phony “quasi-urban” accent this guy from South Carolina has co-opted. He’s cultivating a narrative (despite contradicting himself, as the videos point out), and it’s working for him, amongst the fellow travelers.

    Hope he finds his peace.

    December 26, 2010 at 11:05 PM

    • I was also beside myself when he was presented as an expert on Christianity. I mean if this were the other way around I’m sure that Muslims would be quick to note that at 17, he surely can’t be an expert on anything but I suppose that when something can be used to one’s advantage (even falsely) all discretion goes out the window. Once more it was fairly shocking when this ‘expert’ started giving horribly wrong information of what it is that methodists believe. Now I too have no issue with him leaving Christianity but what does irk me is that he does not feel that he has to speak the truth about his former religion and lie to everyone about it—even his own coreligionists.

      December 27, 2010 at 8:46 AM

  9. SaviorRises

    I hope I did not offend you with my comment about Methodists (assuming he had been one), it’s just, now that I am in my 40s and I look back, it is clear to me that Methodism was on the very fore-front of the liberal mindset that created lots of “Christian” teens and pre-teens, who spent more time hugging each other around campfires, than actually studying the Word and living the Christian lifestyle.

    The fact that he is a product of the 90’s-style Christianity doesn’t surprise me. I also note, as I am sure you did, that he has a great need to talk about himself. I had to chuckle when he mentions his “baseball scholarship”, but that he was dismissed because of “fighting”. Sorry, but Alpha-male stuff was dripping from that double-issue comment from him. The rest of his testimony seems much like that of 13 year olds around a campfire, that isn’t to say it isn’t what he truly feels, only that, especially in light of his misquotes and errors regarding the Bible, it seems like a very immature, uninformed “conversion.” I get the feeling that had a fatherly Orthodox Rabbi gotten ahold of him around the same time, he’d be discussing the Torah scrolls right now.

    Also, along with your comments (in agreement), I’ll go you one more…I find it odd that the traditional Muslim community is in approval of this guy–a pretty young convert–going around as an apparent expert in Islam too. Who knew a guy all over the web (two of them, including Deen, who seems like a decent guy) would discuss Islam better, or more prolifically, than centuries of Arabs have, to Westerners. What does that say about their belief system? A guy who has misunderstood the Bible is now, within ten years, the leading speaker on yet ANOTHER religion (Islam), and is their spokesman to the Western world.

    December 27, 2010 at 9:37 AM

    • Sorry about the late reply but I wasn’t at all offended by your comment. I think that it does shed some truth on the issue of Joshua Evans. Although he claims to have studied the bible profusely and read it from cover to cover, the breadth of knowledge which he should have gained thereby is all but nonexistent. I can’t agree with you more when you say that if circumstances were different, he would be discussing the Torah scrolls at the moment. As it concerns the matter of this person being propelled to Islamic stardom, I couldn’t agree more with your incredulity but I suppose that this is an example of Muslims trying to reaffirm their own faith by securing the much-coveted conversion of a ‘Christian’.

      December 29, 2010 at 8:59 PM

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  11. TiarasforJesus

    Sister!
    Great post! A friend on FB just posted a video of the deen show and this character , Joshua, was on & I saw right through him…thanks for all the great info, also, I noticed that lots of Muslim converts watch a lot of lectures on YouTube…

    They are starting to sound more like a cult or even brainwashed??

    I think they should atleast check out the speakers/teachers credentials before following them??

    I like Luke 10:31-24…21At that, Jesus rejoiced, exuberant in the Holy Spirit. “I thank you, Father, Master of heaven and earth, that you hid these things from the know-it-alls and showed them to these innocent newcomers. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way.

     22″I’ve been given it all by my Father! Only the Father knows who the Son is and only the Son knows who the Father is. The Son can introduce the Father to anyone he wants to.” 23-24He then turned in a private aside to his disciples. “Fortunate the eyes that see what you’re seeing! There are plenty of prophets and kings who would have given their right arm to see what you are seeing but never got so much as a glimpse, to hear what you are hearing but never got so
    much as a whisper.

    I don’t need a neon sign in the sky to see who Jesus really is…too bad other religions , not only Muslims are still blind…

    Prayer is the key.

    Shalom!!!

    March 3, 2011 at 2:43 AM

    • Thanks for reading my post, though I must admit that I’m male (sorry!). It really is sad that Muslims are taking this individual at his word instead of checking out the facts for themselves. You’re absolutely right in that they should check out his credentials first but I suppose that in their bid to have a Christian confirm their religion (and I mean this with no disrespect intended), they will settle for anything, even one whose credentials culminate in a youth ministry when he was all of 16 and/or 17 years of age. Yes, what an expert. While we would surely be accused of being unreasonable if the situation were reversed and Christians trumpeted something of the sort, this is clearly a case of individuals having itching ears and gathering about themselves teachers to who will say just what they want to hear (2 Tim. 4:3). Not to say that you are guilty of this, but it is precisely because we do have Christ that we should not gloat over this but pray for those who lack him.

      March 3, 2011 at 3:00 PM

  12. Boy79

    Hi there, I found your blog after I watched Joshua Evans video in youtube and I search “Joshua Evans defend” on google. I think you are the only person who made a website as a response to Joshua Evans video as I cannot find any other response from a christian to what Joshua Evans claims in video. It is shocking to me that no other christian responding to the video either with another video or posting on website. I just want share my thought with you as a fellow christian about what Joshua Evans said in the video.

    I found Joshua Evans video on youtube by accident, I was searching for video about prophet Muhammad and through several videos I found Joshua Evans video and I am interested to see his video because I want to know what cause him to switch to islam. I have great interest in christian apologetic and in my opinion, if a christian want to defend his/her faith, he/she have to study and see how other people from other religion or atheist attack christian point of view and belief. It is to my disappointment that a lot of christian does not know how to defend or provide answer when somebody ask or criticize his/her faith.

    From the video I see that Joshua evans doesn’t have a complete understanding about the bible because he said that one time at a later age, he try to read the bible from the beginning and he is shocked to found out that the bible is actually filled with flawed, sinful human being. This shows that he never been thought properly about the bible by his sunday school teacher or his grandparent. It is really sad that in my observation, a lot of christian and churches do not teach their kid or teens properly about the bible. He thought that all the prophet and heroes in the bible are perfect human being. Now, if he expect that all the prophet have to be perfect and thought Muhammad is perfect, he is also delusional. He only use Noah as example and said that Noah is a drunkard. Even though Noah is drunk, God did not prohibits Noah of drinking wine and becoming drunk at that time, thus he is not breaking the law. To use Noah as an example of a flawed bible character is weak and pretty lame. I have heard a better example of a flawed biblical character from an Atheist who used to be a catholic, and she use Jephthah from the book of judges on how Jephthah sacrifices his own daughter as an offering, but Noah, being drunk only once, what is that compared with Jephthah done with his daughter. I think Joshua Evans haven’t read Jephthah story, otherwise he will use him as his example. I know that he claimed that he is a former youth minister and It is pretty sad in my opinion that a lot of youth minister and maybe sunday school teacher does not have a thorough understanding about the bible and a lot of churches do not have a high standard for youth minister and therefore a lot of youth and kid are misinformed and lack of understanding of the bible and when they found out about the flawed characters in the old testament, they are shocked and some of God’s commandments to the israelites and some of HIS acts in the old testament is pretty cruel and gruesome by today standard, and if they don’t have complete understanding about the bible and God, they will have doubt about what they believe and might quit being a christian all together.

    And now, about what he said that Jesus is not God. Well, I just want to point out some of Jesus superiority based on some of the scriptures from the gospel that cleary shows that He is different from other prophet.

    1. Luke 1:32 “He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High……his kingdom will never end”. No other prophet will have a kingdom that never end.

    2. Luke 1:42 , Elizabeth feels that the baby leaped in her womb and said to Mary “Why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me.” This shows that Jesus is special, a true son of God, many people can be called son of God as what Joshua Evans claimed, but only one true son of God which is Jesus that can makes Elizabeth’s baby leaped in her womb, no other ordinary human baby can cause Elizabeth’s baby to leap.

    3. Luke 3:16 John the baptist’s statement about Jesus clearly shows that Jesus is no ordinary prophet.

    4. Luke 4:12 Jesus says to the devil not to put God to the test and that statement clearly stated that He is God and put the devil temptation to a stop. If Jesus is not God the devil will might continue tempt Him with more temptation.

    5. Luke 4:35 Jesus has power over evil spirit.

    6. Luke 5:24 Jesus has the power to forgive sins, no other prophet can do that.

    7. Luke 8:28 A legion of demons is really afraid of Jesus that Jesus might torment them, who can torment demons other than God? certainly not a prophet.

    8. Luke 9:35 God claims that Jesus is His son, no other prophet have that title.

    9. Matthew 26:53 Jesus can call God to send him 12 legions of angels , no other prophet can ask for 12 legions of angels , only Jesus.

    All the scriptures above only shows the Jesus superiority over other prophets and clearly shows that He is the son of God and also God himself. We are not yet talking about the superiority of his teaching, but we can talk about it at different time.

    One of the argument that Joshua evans make in the video is the issue of Trinity. I myself as a christian don’t understand completely about the teaching of Trinity and the Trinity doctrine is started by early church leader, and not thought directly by Jesus or any of the disciples. I think Trinity doctrine can only be explained by God himself and not an utmost requirement for somebody to really understand the doctrine and be saved as there will be no test performed by God to see how good a person knowledge of Trinity doctrine before he/she enter heaven. I believe God the father, Jesus and Holy Spirit is God, how they connected and why they are called Trinity, I cannot explain, only God can explain. In my opinion, this doctrine should not be made because christian are being attacked by this doctrine and the doctrine itself is to complicated to comprehend, I think it is enough to just believe that God the father, Jesus and Holy spirit is God. I think the complex understanding of the Trinity doctrine may have cause some people to leave Christianity because they don’t understand it, like Joshua evans did.

    And to comment about what he said that God cannot be human, I think that God can be whatever he want to be. He can show himself in a body of Lions, Elephant or Eagle, but what is the purpose of doing that? God has to come as human in order to communicate and interact with human and also to fulfill God promise of salvation that a sinless human has to be sacrifice in order to free all mankind from sin. Joshua evans said that God cannot be born, of course God cannot be born, but in human form he can. Of course Jesus can just come to earth as an adult but that will not fulfill the prophecy that he must come from david linage. And about his death, God did not died, only the human form died but Jesus is resurrected in the end and shows that death has no power over Him and bodily death is not the end.

    I will see more Joshua Evans video and other video that attacked christian faith and I might put more comment in this blog.

    May 9, 2011 at 7:17 AM

    • First off, thanks for the comment. While I haven’t seen a whole lot, there certainly have been Christians who have written responses to the claims made by this individual. Not all of them have directed their responses particularly towards him but they have certainly answered all the points that he has brought up (i plan to continue with my response towards him sometime soon). I really have a hard time believing his testimony. For instance, when he complains that the prophets weren’t perfect, he sounds too much like a Muslim. He claims that at this point he was still a Christian yet I have trouble believing that he would find the above so troublesome while still being a Christian. It’s simply not a point of too great an issue while one still believes in original sin etc. but anyway, i digress. It seems to me like he’s redacting back all his Muslim objections to back when he was still a “Christian” so as to lend credence to the Islamic faith and popularize his conversion story.

      That said, your comments are always welcomed.

      May 10, 2011 at 8:26 AM

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  14. pommy

    Salaam.

    1. What I get from Joshua Evans, is like what IFTIKHAR QAMAR had stated, that how could these NOBLE and chosen prophets be attributed with such disgusting things; like wine in case of PROPHET NOAH, or PROPHET LOT having sex (or raped as you would interpret it) .
    For even it was to get drunk one time, or God would have let His prophet to get raped, or for a noble prophet to be committing adultery (David), these are not the sins that noble prophets of God should be doing/attributed to. Yes, I agree with what you said (as I believe Joshua and the islam world too), of course they are just human and made mistakes, and no human is perfect, and even prophets of God would sin (as you exampled above in the prayers of Muhammad pbuh). But still, the prophets are God’s chosen people, God’s messengers, God’s representative on earth with mission to spread the truth about Him, and in history of mankind, only a few of these people are chosen to be God’s prophet (25 prophets according to Quran, if I am not mistaken. And in Bible about 47?). Compare that very, very, very LIMITED FEW numbers of prophets to the number of humankind history in total.
    It just doesn’t make sense that these very few noble prophets that God had chosen, who were the examples of their people at the time, who would then their legend and story would be told in Holy scriptures to be the guide and example for mankind — would commit such sinful acts, grave sins that people are not suppose to do, forbidden sins from 10 commandments. How could the prophets of God, who preaches 10 commandments, couldn’t abide on it themselves? Yes, they would make sins as they are human, but surely not the sins of which they preach themselves not to do? In history of mankind, in our world today, surely there are good common people who lived all their lives without making grave sin such as adultery, or killing, or getting drunk? Even normal people could stay away from grave sins, good people we knew in our lives. So how come God had chosen his FEW prophets in the history of mankind, who couldn’t be better than just normal good people? Surely if you believe in the idea of God, the All-Knowing God, the Creator of the Universe, surely God would have chosen the best of the best of people, those with certain qualities, to be His prophet, His messenger on earth to mankind? Although they may not be perfect human beings, but it only makes sense that God would have known, and would have picked, the best in mankind, to be His prophets.
    I think brother Joshua’s thinking in somewhat along this line. Because this is definitely the line of thinking any moslems would have. For us, and from what we’ve learned in the Quran, these noble prophets are God’s chosen messengers, who had lived the noble life, preached and do good to people, survived and endured God’s tests nobly, and so on. They are the examples for the people, they preach the Truth, the Way to God, they are God fearing and humble, and they live up to that – they do not commit grave sins.

    2. I didn’t get from Joshua’s story, that he said that it is The Cardinal Sin in Christianity is to ask Questions. From his story it is rather that the preachers he asked questions to regarding the inconsistency/contradictions in the Bible and the stories about the supposed to be noble prophets yet committed grave sins, these preachers SEEMED to not have liked his questions, like people are not suppose to ask questions about that. He didn’t say it is a cardinal sin in Christianity to ask questions.

    About asking questions in Islam, as you mentioned above, please have a look at the context of the verse and story/hadith. If you read the whole context, the many hadiths story, you should realize It is not about asking questions in general, but about asking things foolishly (that are plain to themselves). If you read Muhammad pbuh story and other hadiths, you could surely see yourself that Muhammad pbuh answered so many questions (in fact, the whole hadith books volumes consisted of so many stories – if not mostly – of the questions of the people to Muhammad pbuh.) And as a moslem, I never get any teachings that taught me not to ask questions in Islam, it’s unheard of. In Islam we are actually taught to READ, to LEARN, to learn from the universe around us. For from doing that we should have see, realize, God’s greatness. In fact, the first command, the first revelation from God to Muhammad pbuh, was for him to “READ” (while Muhammad pbuh was illiterate). And all through the Quran, you’ll see many times verses of Allah telling us to see/learn. (Wallahualam – Allah Knows Best)

    3. I get also the same feeling as Joshua reading the old and new testament. I was in catholic school before, and afterwards I also like to read the Bible and other religion’s books as well. The God is the old testament seems very different with the God in new testament. The God in old testament, however, seemed very clear in the uniqueness “One God” doctrine/concept, which is the core belief of the Jews as well. Which is the core belief in Islam as well. From the stories since Adam, in old testament or Quran, this is clearly the core concept. And suddenly in new testament it becomes blurry, especially in Paul’s teachings. And I don’t understand why if Jesus is God, then he couldn’t be clear in his sayings? Many times I found he’s more clear in saying his prayers to the Father. I am sorry I don’t have time now to elaborate more on this point, if God wills I would at another time, to be more clear in my explanation of this matter and with relevant sources.

    May Peace be upon you.

    March 22, 2012 at 6:05 PM

    • Hey there pommy and thanks for the comment.

      1. What I get from Joshua Evans, is like what IFTIKHAR QAMAR had stated, that how could these NOBLE and chosen prophets be attributed with such disgusting things [...] Because this is definitely the line of thinking any moslems would have. For us, and from what we’ve learned in the Quran, these noble prophets are God’s chosen messengers, who had lived the noble life, preached and do good to people, survived and endured God’s tests nobly, and so on. They are the examples for the people, they preach the Truth, the Way to God, they are God fearing and humble, and they live up to that – they do not commit grave sins.

      The simple fact is that prophets were indeed human and the Bible is not shy of displaying their failings; no matter how sordid and disgusting these may be. David was an adulterer, Solomon sacrificed to idols, and Paul was a mass-murderer who killed and imprisoned his fellow Jews simply for believing in the message of Jesus Christ. Yes these are very horrible things but it just goes to show that God can use anyone to spread his message and has often used the worst people to preach the greatest message. Please read what King David says about his adultery. See how it ravishes his soul and how he falls on his face and entrusts himself on the mercy of God, please read what King Solomon says after examining his life and that of others. Notice how he describes everything other than the love of God as meaningless. His closing words are to remember our creator and to love him wholly. Please read what Paul says after God opened his eyes on the road to Damascus. Understand his wretchedness and sorrow as he comes to grips with the fact that he had been persecuting the message of the Only true God and then understand his joy as he proudly exclaims the truth that God came into the world to save the broken. So you see, as a Christian I honour the prophets not because they were perfect—they weren’t, not because they hadn’t committed grave sins—they certainly did, but for the faith that they had in God, believing that God was greater than their sins and that he could use them to do good no matter their mistakes. I place my faith in God and not in the imperfection of his messengers.

      On another note, as I Christian I can look at what the prophets did and agree with the Bible that these were sins. I have no problem with that because the Bible itself says that these were grave sins. When I look to Islam however and read about some of the things that Muhammad did or promoted, I am even more incensed because Muslims do not admit these to be wrong. For example, calling for the death of those who leave Islam—as a Christian and as a person who holds dear everyone’s right to decide what to believe for themselves, I am greatly disturbed by this tenet of Islam and by Muslims who are perfectly fine with this. Furthermore, I do not agree with those instances where he commands Muslims to fight those who do not believe in his message such as in Surah 9:29 or in the following:

      “I have been ordered by God to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammed is his messenger, and that they establish prayer and pay Zakat (money). If they do it, their blood and their property are safe from me” (see Bukhari Vol. I, p. 13).

      Christians look at the above and are repulsed by it. Not because the person who said it was Mohammed but because it is completely wrong. In Christianity, apostle Paul did the same thing before his conversion and the Bible plainly teaches that it was a sin. So by being appalled by the Islamic prophet, I am not judging him by a different standard than anyone else, I am simply being honest. Yet Muslims on the other hand would join me in condemning apostle Paul’s persecution of Christians as sinful but would not say the same about Muhammad and his command to fight non-muslims until they submit to Islam! This is simple hypocrisy.

      3. And I don’t understand why if Jesus is God, then he couldn’t be clear in his sayings? Many times I found he’s more clear in saying his prayers to the Father. I am sorry I don’t have time now to elaborate more on this point, if God wills I would at another time, to be more clear in my explanation of this matter and with relevant sources.

      Jesus was in fact quite clear that he was God. In fact this is why the Jewish authority put him to death because such a claim was complete blasphemy if it weren’t true! The Jews of his day very well understood that he was claiming to be the true God himself. I am pressed for time at the moment but I’d like it if you could read the following two articles (especially part II):

      Does the Bible Teach the Divinity of Christ?
      Does the Bible Teach the Divinity of Christ? Part II

      These are two discussions I had with a Muslim over this subject.

      Thank you for commenting and I hope that you will be back.

      March 23, 2012 at 1:16 PM

  15. Neil

    the messiah did not claim anywhere in scripture that he was god. he stated he and his father are one, as well as, the father is greater than i… if the two were one as some seem to believe on in a misconstrued way, he would have told his disciples to pray to him instead of to the father. second, for true seekers, the messiahs name is most definately not of any english form no matter how it has been transliterated and undeniably is not and could never be nor have been the name jesus. the letter j was not used until earliest dates of the 13th century and more commonly around 1530 ad. Yehoshua, some say yeshua for short form but never jesus as the messiah was hebrew and therefore as there is no j nor its sound in hebrew nor aramaic could jesus have been his true name. nor is god a name for it is but a title, as well as the word lord. in exodus the fathers name comes in a tetragrammaton as YHWH. also, as stated in scripture one should not ridicule and be rude to others but inform others in positive ways what the truth is. the messiah tried to show and teach the correct path but no one listened, for they have eyes but do not see and they have ears but do not hear. as well, what is religion but a fruitless war? im sure the messiah did not teach religion but rather sprituality. Study and research the scriptures diligently and whole heartedly. asalaam alaikum. shalom.

    June 20, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    • The above is just so blatantly wrong but I’m not going to bother trying to correct all your errors. Assuming that you’re a Muslim, let me remind you that Jesus’ name cannot be transliterated into Isa. So right off the bat the Qu’ran fails to meet your criteria either. Furthermore, if you had any real understanding of the gospel and Judaism, you’d understand that Jesus did quite clearly claim to be
      God. I suggest that you read some of the articles around here to see just how incorrect you are. Furthermore, can you show me in the Qu’ran where Jesus claims to be the Messiah? Of course you won’t be able to because he never does any such thing and yet here you are repeatedly calling him “the Messiah”. You disprove your own point and once again condemn Islam by your very own argument. Better luck next time.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:45 PM

      • Neil

        i would really love for you to point out how what i stated is so blatantly wrong! never once did Yehoshua, whom you so disrespectfully call jesus, ever say he was whom you say god, of whom i would expect youd mean the Creator. and why would you assume that im a muslim? because i said in two different languages the translation of peace? and furthurmore, a name should never be translated, a name should be what one is called and not ever changing just because of a simple language difference. if your name was sam would you want someone of a different nationality calling you sue or sham just cause they think its how it should be? also why read some pamphlets of people claiming their interpretation to be biblical truth when i can plainly see the truth in scripture? so, please point out the blatant wrongs and back it up with scripture. as well i despise all religions; muslums, christians, catholics so on and so forth, even native american religions and their rituals. what scripture do you think your so called jesus read and studied and then taught in the synagogues? why did the pharisees and scribes and saduccees hate the Messiah so much they had Him crucified? and for true believers and followers we are like lambs to the slaughter. is there any type of thought in you that you could, or better yet should, forgive those who spit on you, beat you and curse you while you die at their hands? you seem to me a very unlearned and unforgiving individual. what i speak i can back up with scripture, what you might call the bible, can you? Shalom.

        June 20, 2012 at 9:48 PM

      • I’ve decided to deal with your points by way of an email because it was excessively aggravating trying to fit everything I needed to cover within a comment box. I hope to hear from you soon.

        June 21, 2012 at 2:19 PM

  16. As for calling Him the Messiah, i go back to the old testament and trust the Creators Word, and not that Yehoshua laid claim to being the Messiah but was Ordained by YHWH as a High priest according to the order of Malchizedek, Forever! Allowing according to language to call Him the Messiah, as well i dont see why one wouldnt be able to say that Malchizedek may have been Abrahams Messiaih, another odd thing eh methodus! And possible Enoch, for He might be arriving again sometime in the future as well, anyrate. All our debates can be tested by simply going to the 10 Laws commanded. As for Boy79s placements of new testament scripture to state the Yehoshua had to be “god” by proof of His abilities to to do the miracles He did, can all be done as well by those whom recieve the Ruach HaKodesh, the “Holy” Spirit, and as He stated Even Greater things! Also bringing to mind, when stated that “No other Prophet has done”, what of Enoch??? Im almost certain that what He did was unimaginable to way too many! And the Creators words, “Be not astounded!” And as for the tempting, YHWH cannot be tempted but Yehoshua was tempted, on multiple occasions, not just on the mountain. As well he said to His disciple, “get behind me satan.” And upon enetering the synagogue or temple, “Do not make of My Fathers house a den of thieves” and He flipped over the tables over those dealing inside. As for Josh and his video, he does have some things that need reproof as do we all and that is what the Truly Inspired Scriptures are for, and Everything should be tested as to His words, we are to test it against His Law to make sure that it is True and appropriate, and if it has no holding with His Ultimate never ending Law, well then it should be cast away and left alone. We are to be His Set Apart people, for Him, not for a ridiculous religion which i can see causes Frustration and anymosity and for religion which their is only one true one and that is LOVE but seems to be m.i.a. in every mainstream religion, which is sad.. And for you methodus, our debate though it may not have been all that pleasant, i feel definately should have taken place. I do my best to test all i text and share with His Word and His Law, not multiple writings of manmade fallacies and religions. Asalaam alaikam, Shalom…

    June 23, 2012 at 1:36 AM

  17. And as for the tempting, YHWH cannot be tempted but Yehoshua was tempted, on multiple occasions, not just on the mountain.

    Sigh. I have already replied to this point in this very comment section, no less.

    Thanks for the comment. while at this time I have not taken a look at your video (I may, or may not) I will give a very brief response to your use of James 1:13 in order to claim that the bible claims that Jesus is not God. Before that though I must say that I find Muslim arguments fairly self-serving (and therefore weak) because they will claim that the Bible is irredeemably corrupted yet when the opportunity presents itself to make use of the bible we are supposed to believe that the portion they are quoting from has not been corrupted. Either the bible is corrupted or it isn’t, take your pick and remember that inconsistency is the sign of a failed argument. Given that you would quote from James, let us at least suppose that the writings of James are authoritative (seeing as you would claim this by your use of a citation from this text and then therefore go on to claim that because of these words by James, Jesus cannot be God…in short, by your argument, we are to suppose that the words of James override everything else in the bible like for example, the words of Paul). It is easy to quote one saying by an author and then claim that this was what he believed yet the proper method would be to examine the entire corpus of an author’s work to understand what in fact it is that he believed. With that in mind, let us turn to the words of James.

    “Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.” —James 1:13

    Before I speak concerning the above let us continue reading James and see exactly what his idea of God was:

    “James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ” —James 1:1

    In the above James calls himself a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ. ‘Lord’, which in Greek would be Kyrios was the translation of the word Adonai which is the word that Jews use for God’s proper name, Yahweh. If James, wanted to say that Jesus was not God then from the very first sentence he has already confused his audience by using the very term that he, as a Jew, uses for the God of Israel himself!

    “If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.” —James 1:5-7

    In the above James speaks concerning petitions to God and yet then claims that it is the Lord who gives and answers prayers. But who did James call the Lord in his opening? Wasn’t it Jesus? I don’t know about you but if James wanted to claim that Jesus was not God then why would he say that it is he that answered prayers and granted them when people prayed to God? Unless of course James meant to teach that Jesus is himself God.

    “My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory.” —James 2:1

    The above is once more confusing in the fact that the faith is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of Glory. But isn’t God the Lord of Glory? And isn’t the faith supposed to be in God? Once more James is being very confusing if he meant to say that Jesus is not God but is actually being very clear if once more he was teaching that Jesus was God.

    Now let us turn to the passage which you had cited in your post. You had warned me not to twist the word “tempted” yet is there only one way to use the word tempted? Be that as it may, if we are to believe what you said in that there is absolutely only one way to use the word tempted then what are we to make with the ending of that verse where James says that God does not ‘tempt’ anyone yet later on he says:

    “Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar?” —James 2:21

    The above verse is actually referring to: “After these things, God tempted Abraham, and said to him: Abraham, Abraham. And he answered: Here I am.He said to him: Take thy only begotten son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and go into the land of vision: and there thou shalt offer him for a holocaust [sacrifice] upon one of the mountains which I will show thee.” (Genesis 22:1-2). If we are to believe what you said then we have ourselves a problem where James contradicts himself and simultaneously believes that God is God and God is not God. Clearly your logic does not make sense and is in fact insulting to the intellect of both the author and your audience. If you had cared to look into the matter you would have seen that the word translated as tempted is the word nissa whose two primary meanings mean “to test”. Therefore, while the word can mean “to tempt” it more often means “to test” and the meaning is found depending on the context. Now you would have us disregard all of this and simply believe that James was simply trying to contradict himself or ignorant of his own language…or both! From the above, it’s clear that when one actually examines the matter, they find that your logic cannot hold up to scrutiny and is only convincing if one is ignorant of the matter entirely.

    “Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go into such and such a town and spend a year there and trade and make a profit”— 14 yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes. 15 Instead you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we will live and do this or that.”—James 4:13-15

    Once more who is this Lord that James speaks of? From the context we can gather that this Lord is the one who holds our lives in his hands but everyone knows that only God has this power, right? Yet this Lord, James identified with Jesus in his opening! So unlike what you would want us to believe, James is quite emphatic in that Jesus is God.

    What I would like you to take note of is the consistency within my argument. While mine explains everything without positing contradictions or insulting the intelligence of my audience or the author, your argument does not. If I were a betting man, I certainly would not place my hopes with the argument that you have put forth for it fails to account for all the evidence and only works if we ignore it altogether. Now remember that your argument rested on us taking the words of James as authoritative and we have now seen that James declares Christ to be God. So what will you do? Will you believe the author on whom your argument rested on (and whom you had wanted me to believe in) or will you suddenly disregard his words and display to all of us that you are in fact not interested in a consistent argument? Remember, inconsistency is a sign of a failed argument and when you must repeatedly be inconsistent (as I’ve shown Joshua Evans and the Muslim position to have been) then I would say that your theological viewpoint is a failing one.

    It’s getting really tiring having to repeat myself like this.

    June 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM

  18. a reply to james 2:21 “was not our father Abraham justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the alter?” um, somewhere therein is something wrong, for it is also stated in the n.t. that “let no man be justified by his works lest he boast”… all in all it was a test of Abrahams faith. How many of us would actually take Ourselves to Him to be sacrificed let alone our own sons or daughters? On that note, we are, whom He chooses, for Him to do as He wishes, and to be willing just as His son, to be Sacrificed. Odd? Imagine how Yehoshua felt when He knew Himself to be sacrificed for a much longer time than we have for we are not as intelligent and Wise as He is! Lambs to the slaughter. And once again, Who can number Him who Created everything?<< O.T…. We know not. So we should leave the guess work and fables alone to them which created such ideas and go about Our Fathers Work! As it is very tiring repeating yourself, we should be wiser and go about His Business than tarry around with the lies of men. I really do wish you well methodus. and as a token of my appreciation, i will post a sort of revelation i had… Shalom…

    June 25, 2012 at 2:41 AM

  19. i was questioned if i believe fully in the n.t.>…Because i know it was penned by man, some of the things in it i find do not adhere to His Law and in accordance to what was recorded of the Creators words, so, in a way i say not entirely. (also there much debate as to what books are to be in the bible and which books arent.) The words i find unchanging and inerrant in language and description, i trust. Usaully in most scripture ive studied i find the Creators words the same, as well as Yehushuas words the same, but certain things such as He was a “carpenter” which in hebraic derived from Tekton, means to work with ones hands, so was He a carpenter or did he do masonry, of that im not positive either. There is a point where Yehoshua goes to what in the nkjv is recorded as a lepers place and this leper had a form of shop selling goods and earlier recorded in the o.t. that lepers were to not associate with such things as they were to be secluded, exactly where in scripture that is i cannot quote the verses, i have a rough time with verse numbers and all the corralations of them. As for the past few days ive been having a debate with all the name differences and had thought adamantly that the names should not be changed due to differences of languages as if my name was sam, i wouldnt really want people of a different language or era even to call me sue or sham just because i didnt feel it proper and also felt it disrespectful, but, in order for some to communicate, some things must be changed for purposes of understanding, and i find it difficult to be so with names, then, after debate on that and the triune theory, it rang out that many names were changed and it seems that some were changed by the Creator Himself such as with Abram becoming Abraham, and Sarai, Sarah. And as such it has been implied that such occurances were to signify a great change in that characters life. Things such as Sauls name being changed to paul, and his sayings of such things that it is proper to keep ones hair short, was kinda wierd and i find him kinda iffy in more than a few things. then again who am i to judge, no one, for what measure one judges so shall he be judged. And alot of the psalms that speak of things such as “oh lord do away with mine enemies” and those types of words i find very hard to agree with for i find we are to not judge let alone ask the Father to destruct our enemies but to seek to be able to pray for such people that they be led to His Righteousness so that they may be forgiven and change their ways to be better people… Also, i find i should study more intensely and focus mostly on Yehushuas actions and do the best i can to emmulate Him and to pass along only the facts that are forever unchanging and to at least make people aware of Him and the Almighty Father, and to believe what Yehushua said we would be capable of upon receipt of the Ruach HaKodesh; “Holy” Spirit, such things as healing the sick and being joined with Him and the Father in heaven. He was also out in the wilderness quite a bit to pray and i believe worship The Father. Blessings and Shalom.

    June 25, 2012 at 2:48 AM

  20. “Matt. 9:1 Jesus stepped into a boat, crossed over and came to his own town. 2Some men brought to him a paralytic, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven.” 3At this, some of the teachers of the law said to themselves, “This fellow is blaspheming!” 4Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, “Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts? 5Which is easier: to say, `Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, `Get up and walk’? 6But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins. . . .” Then he said to the paralytic, “Get up, take your mat and go home.” 7And the man got up and went home. 8When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe; and they praised God, who had given such authority to men.” nkjv.
    Shalom…

    June 25, 2012 at 9:13 PM

  21. Sonny

    If possible my friend and brother in Christ, could you somehow figure a way to translate this response to Joshua Evans to Arabic.Google translate is not very accurate and I have an Syrian friend who is Muslim, but he is struggling, because I notice he often is watching videos to re-assure his point of view, and looking for answers. He cannot read English very well at all, and can not understand spoken English at all. He sent me this video one day, and yes he is my friend and understands I am Christian. I would like to send him this article, but I know Google Translate would change cause your reply to lose a lot of it’s meaning. We communicate using Google Translate, but the translations are poor, and sending him articles like this in English is useless. He read about this man, Joshua Evans in his native language, so that is how he was aware of the video. So, if you might know someone who knows how to translate to Arabic, that would be a great help in reaching many in the world who can only get access to one point of view, the one they are provided with, which is Islam. Thank you friend, and God bless.

    March 29, 2013 at 5:51 PM

  22. Donkeylover

    I watched the long video with an entirely open mind as I’m looking for Gods word. I am curious to read both the Bible and the Koran. He was blatant about mocking the Bible, repeatedly calling it foolish. I have a hard time seeing the light from a man who mocks the other guys. He should gear his message more positively or at least constructively and with a little less pent up anger if he wants to gain credibility or converts. I’m not sure he’s good for Islam as a PR piece. I also watched some later videos where he’s got a thick foreign accent, which felt a little like Madonna and her newish British accent. In the later videos he’s become much more stern and animated. I obviously don’t base my view of Islam on him and I’m still interested in reading Koran, but he is a little frightening to me, as an outsider to all religions.

    April 29, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    • Pascal

      Don’t let anyone stand before you and the truth. Read both the Bible and the Koran completely with an open mind and see how they speak to you. The word of God should be plain and simple. You dont need to be a scholar to understand the message.

      October 6, 2013 at 8:26 AM

  23. Pascal

    I think we have to start accepting that Christian is not a religion of book, it’s a religion of faith. As soon as you read a complete bible, then you start questioning some (many) parts of the bible (as they contradict with what you are taught at curch), then you will get some answers (which are, in most cases, not satisfying), then you are told to have the faith anyway..

    So I would suggest to just keep the faith.. No better comment on this..

    October 6, 2013 at 8:14 AM

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